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Poster: billydlions Date: Sep 12, 2009 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Question about 8-27-72

Strat recently posted about this being the greatest show ever played which got me thinking about it. I noticed that both this show and 5-8-77 have reverb in the recording which I believe enhances the sound and perhaps adds to the mythical status of these 2 shows. When I downloaded shows years ago I never paid attention to which source it is so I decided to download the source that has the most reviews to compare it to my old source. After looking at all of the sources I figured out that I have the Bertha Remaster by Jay Serafin. Well, after downloading the most popular source (based on the 16 track reel), it didn't have the reverb or echo sound that the Serafin source had. Now I'm confused as to which version captures the true experience for those who were lucky enough to attend. Has anyone compared these two sources and does anyone have an opinion as to which is better or which one captures the spirit of that day?

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Sep 13, 2009 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question about 8-27-72

I bought the commercial release of the New Riders set from 8/27/72 (great set!) and it sounds like the same source as the Serafin source to my ears. Whenever I break out 8/27/72 I like to play the NRPS first. If you get the chance, check it out. Great "Willie & The Hand Jive" and "I Don't Need No Doctor" played that day by the NRPS.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 13, 2009 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question about 8-27-72

BDL: There's a couple different ways to look at it. First, you can get a look at the movie and check out the sound source for it, deciding whether that seems like it has the most "authentic" vibe.

I would suggest that the Braverman 16 track source should be considered a "reference" copy. Meaning it has no post production tinkering with the source material. Although it captured the true undiluted sound from the board, I'm sure it sounds more sterile and dryer than the Serafin source.

Finally, the Serafin source with post production reverb added, may be closer to the actual vibe than the dry production. However at outdoor facilities with no boundaries, there is little natural occurring reverb. It's also kind of difficult to great outdoor AUD's in a situation like this due to wind swirl and other factors affecting sound travel.

Ultimately, this is exactly why the matrix recordings that have been showing up seem to capture the best of both worlds. You get the precise sounds that were run through the boards, and blend the natural ambient reverb from the hall.

Keep 'em both. Listen to what you like.

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 13, 2009 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question about 8-27-72

Chicken creep E.Powell steams spiteful resentment by killing innocent creatures in the ocean ,still hyping he might still be a real man with his ship of fool !only one way for such cruel selfish clown: many lives he'll be recycled as a fish just to be killed for the antertainment of others same as him !while the're listen to same old tapes !